CONTEXT and HISTORY matters!!! written by Robert Byrne (P.S. ). I still don't understand the philosophy of Bayesian probability Brad DeLong is having an extremely fascinating conversation with an E.E. Get your answers by asking now. Your goal should be a slow, close read of the text digesting one paragraph and concept completely, perhaps making notes if you need to, before moving on to the next. Most people who try to read philosophy either get frustrated or else keep reading but don't make any progress because they (i) read much too quickly, (ii) don't take notes, (iii) are unable to put aside their preconceptions, and (iv) through a combination of these factors glide without retention over large chunks of the text whenever they don't fit their preconceptions. You seem to understand economics, yet you don't seem able to understand that if we stop buying puppy mill puppies they will stop producing them, and in the LONG run, far more dogs will be saved. a good Breeder!! By John Stoehr. I mean I understand the words but when I put them into a sentence, it doesn't make sense or Kant's new sentence doesn't seem to correspond with his old sentence! etc. The breeder usually just wants a nice loving home for there champion dog and will let them go for a small fee. This forum is NOT for factual, informational or scientific questions about philosophy (e.g. Are the vet bills cheaper for an inferior dog from a shelter? Temperament tests are performed...they are a liability to the shelter after all. You can sign in to vote the answer. Yet, once you do understand it, it is almost impossible to ignore. "Philosophia" is the Ancient Greek word for the "love of wisdom".A person who does philosophy is called a philosopher.A philosopher is a kind of thinker or researcher. It also tries to understand how things should be. Equality is the root of Democratic politics and policies. point being; one shelter's issues and inactivity's shouldn't subject every shelter in the country to it's same level. I, myself, dont mind paying 4,5,6 hundred dollars for a well-bred dog but since I couldnt care less if it had champion show abilities, I'd be d**ned if I'd pay more for a Chihuahua than I'd pay for a horse. To put the cart before the horse, and to never do what is best for you. Forums > General Photography > Philosophy > I guess I don't understand Photography :-(Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by john_aceti, Aug 7, 2005. Everyone doesn't, neither do they need to! Alright,like one. Honestly, I think most BYBs will think twice about ever breeding again if they have 2-3 puppies they still can't sell at 16 weeks old...the reality of the expense and time commitment (as well as the mess) will make them gunshy. out back, where we usually put the dogs to socialize them with their new family. I Don't Want to Understand - Demotivational Posters to Demotivate You - Work Harder, Not Smarter. But did studying logic teach me the importance of thinking this way, or make me any better at it? I make philosophy memes so I can LARP at contributing to philosophy while not publishing papers or teaching. And to say pet store/puppy mill dogs are all disease infested and have health problems is absurd. So then, what happens to the poor puppy a the pet store? -Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900) Adapted from 'The 2,548 Best Things Anybody Ever Said.' Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by Shizuka, Sep 14, 2014. And the best part? I tried to apply his logic to a hypothetical example I came up with, and I have encountered a problem. I think Rachel stated beautifully why people are referred to shelters when looking for a "cheap" dog. Also, I have no problem with someone buying a purebred if that's what they want, however, there is no point in buying a dog whos parents were not titled in something because then you are only supporting someone who bred for money. Since you say that you don't understand how to start, I will give you a hint on the skeleton and leave the details for you to fill in: Given that the main connective in your conclusion formula is ↔, you can be relatively sure that the last rule application is a ↔I, and according to the definition of the ↔I rule (read and apply the rule definitions! In fact, from my experience it is absolutely NOT true. 'Plato is a bore.' how will they pay for good food? ... At the same time, however, I'm all too aware that "you just don't understand" is a card that is often played far too swiftly and without justification. And, statistically, the majority of female dogs that are brought in are either pregnant, currently with a litter, or not spayed. And they dont have made up pedigrees and stuff like that. the problem is that, no, they won't train it themselves. Some show dogs retire early, might not be needed in a breeding program, etc. I would not pay more for a 3 lb dog than I have paid for some of my past vehicles, its insane. 1 of my pure bred's cost $2500 at an emergency clinic, due to a disease he had as a puppy and eventually grew out of. People are often referred to shelters in this instance because (a) it's better than supporting Joe Shmo down the street who's breeding his pit bulls and sellin 'em cheap (b) because the dogs have had a vet check, spay/neuter and preliminary vaccinations...thus saving them some money. You can sign in to vote the answer. The great philosophers were quite often loners. Dogs cost money to keep them healthy, no matter where you get them from. There's a lot going on in any half-way decent piece of philosophy, and normally the people who try to tell you easy ways to resolve a problem are the ones who don't understand it. I don't understand two things. Now what I don’t understand is how Premise 3 follows from Premise 2. Oh, yeah, back yard breeders and puppy mills! EDIT: Also, a shelter dog is so much better because we arent paying the BYB's right? Check shelters and rescue's first. Have you read a good history of philosophy book yet? In my books, he's a shameful as Sigmund Freud. You seem to understand economics, yet you don't seem able to understand that if we stop buying puppy mill puppies they will stop producing them, and in the LONG run, far more dogs will be saved. His language does not mean what you would typically expect, making his meaning difficult to grasp. I’ve just – it’s like – I’m in chains, you’re in chains, they’re in chains – but none of you know… But seeing me, remembering it all, I felt them – I felt the chains. If you buy a puppy mill dog, you are giving your support (via your money) to puppy mills. Feminism I don't understand. I would never consent to purchase a dog and support these terrible breeding practices, no matter how bad I feel for the pup in the store window. Yes, some are dropped for behavioral issues, but most of those stem from a lack of training and can easily be fixed with proper training and exercise. Why is it that people will pay $25K for a car that they will trade in 5 years later for a fraction of its original cost, but they must be dragged kicking and screaming into the idea of paying more than $250 for a living creature that will devote 12-17+ years of its life to that person? You have to read that first man. 'Philosophy for Everyone' contains clear and user-friendly chapters, chapter summaries, glossary, study questions, suggestions for further reading and guides to online resources. science has sky rocketed ever since. There are things I know I learned from studying philosophy. Most of the dogs at shelters were dumped because their owners didn't have the time or inclination to care for them properly. All pretty good selling points, for much less than the BYB who dumped them was charging when he advertised them at 6 weeks old. No you don't always get what you pay for. 1 quote have been tagged as i-don-t-understand-philosophy: Debasish Mridha: ‘I don’t understand philosophy; I am just longing for love.’ -- and completely start to decline the "demand" for puppy mill dogs? What states are rolling out mandatory vaccines? Join Yahoo Answers and get 100 points today. They are probably already trained and you have a good contact, possibly a new friend inthe breeder! A dog gives you it's lifetime of love and devotion. It’s not anyone. I agree with you. I guess I don't see what's wrong with someone having to understand that -- if he can't afford a well-bred puppy -- he should consider adopting a shelter dog, choose another breed more within his means, or (GASP!) I hate it when people put words in my mouth just so they can make an argument. Demotivational Posters Work Hard Philosophy Nice selections. While I understand your concern for the pet shop puppies and the puppies "on the shelves", economics is the only thing that is going to help solve the problem. Our shelter covers my entire county, as well as half of the three surrounding it -- so we get dogs coming in left and right, as well as drop-offs [even though we clearly have a sign that says "drop-offs aren't subjected to admittance"]; so we have, literally, ONE kennel left open right now. Red Pony---my shelter here is governed by the county but supported by private donations. Go ahead a do a little web searching and read some analysis. How many times stronger is dog’s sense of smell comparing the humans? But he wont be saving any money on vet bills. If you don’t understand the reasoning for an argument, it is harder to understand the author’s conclusion. Before you answer, I want to let you know the book that I have read before so you know where my knowledge is at and can offer me advice: 3. Kant is killing me! Well in the shelters most of the time, they dont even know for sure what the animal is mixed with, alot of those dogs and cats are because the b**ch got out while in heat, or a boy got in, so to argue that a pet store dog is less some how because the breeders are irresponsible, yea they are, but alot of the shelter dogs breeders probably were not up to snuff either. Also, why is it that, if someone cant afford to pay $1600 for a 3-pound Chihuahua, that person either "doesnt deserve" a dog, or he's relegated to only choosing from the strays and drop-offs at the shelters? they can't pay for puppy classes or training, so are they going to train it themselves? 3 were 'rescue' dogs (one is a puppy mill survivor, one was thrown out at age 5 weeks, and the other was left homeless after a neighbor died). Edit: Click on the link and read the synonyms for the word "generally". We cant save all the animals, for every domesticated pet in the US to have a home, we would all have to have 7 animals, maybe more now, that statistic was from a few years ago. I think you're taking a lot of this out of context. I agree that someone who wants a cheap dog shouldn't get one from a shelter, they have vet bills just like other dogs. So maybe a couple generations of BYB dogs might get dropped off at shelters, it's sad, but it won't stop until people stop supporting them. So many people just drop their dog off because they don't have the time, money, patience or space for the dog. Still have questions? I learned that I don't exist. What 'Centrists' Don't Understand About Liberalism. Whether it is in terms of a passage or a quote,how do you even understand a philosophy which I did really tried to look at it and broaden my thinkings but it still didn't work. You can't just say that we'll have a surplus of dogs if people stop buying from BYB's. saving a dog from euthenization from a shelter that does spay/neuters, temperament, socialization, shots, etc -- is making room for the puppy that will be dropped off a week later after it's bought from a byber. The least you could do is to keep you promise and take care of them, no matter if they were a stray or a designer dog. For every one Liebniz who was a social butterfly there are ten Spinozas, Newtons, Thoreaus, &c. ADD: I agree that you can't completely guarantee health...but the chances are always better with a dog from generations of tested ancestors, and a breeder who is actually concerned about the health of their bloodlines. The philosophy of Nietzsche is complex on its first read. or would you rather try to stop that by buying a shelter dog of sound health, fixed, temperament checked, socialized, with shots, etc. how will they keep them out of trouble? Prolegomena is an introduction to his critique of pure reason. If hell is a place for humans, why did God say we go back to the dust when we die not that we go to hell forever? Shelter dogs have to see a vet - otherwise the dogs would (and often do) have very contagious diseases that would quickly spread to the rest of the shelter population if not corrected. Saying it won't solve the problem today, doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything possible to at least reduce the suffering if not totally eliminate it. I have been learning about Parmenides, and I don't think I am correctly understanding his argument for why we can't think/speak about things that don't exist. So what's your solution? I rescued a puppy that was from a puppy mill and he is perfectly healthy, according to my vet. LAPD called to Billie Lourd's home over shooting, Texas HS football player brutally attacks referee, Carole Baskin's sanctuary responds after tiger attack, 3M will cut 2,900 jobs in global restructuring, Republican judges don't ride with Trump on election cases, Amid escalating tension, Le Batard leaving ESPN, Mar-a-Lago preparing for Trump post-presidency, Americans are stockpiling supplies again: Survey, Vaccine execs say distribution will be main challenge, Biden says he will call for 100 days of mask wearing, http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/generally. 100$ w/ shots, health check, temperament check, spay/neuter], how are they going to afford vet bills? Failure to understand why that particular person values something so much is the only misunderstanding. This is remarkably different from other forms of reading, like — say — going through a newspaper page to collect information or reading a novel to enjoy a good story.. I don't understand his book "the critique of pure reason" even though I look into the ordinary dictionary AND philosophy dictionary for the words I don't understand. You don't do philosophy. philosophy has parted ways with science but the fact remains that science, philosophy and religion branched out over the time. I don't know. "Eventually the BYB's will stop, but how many millions of their puppies will go unwanted and euthanized in the process?" Its a vicious circle and in the end someone loses, in this argument, everyone just argues about it. The following prophecy about Jesus Christ has been fulfilled except His physical kingdom on earth.Â T or F? Eventually the BYB's will stop, but how many millions of their puppies will go unwanted and euthanized in the process? I don't understand the perceived threat of transgender Use this philosophy forum to discuss and debate general philosophy topics that don't fit into one of the other categories. We ALREADY have a surplus of dogs. If you have to give up your pet, find them a better home than they had with you. And they also vaccinate them so that they don't become ill. Precise enough,okay.) I will NEVER understand a "shelter" that doesn't spay/neuter adopted animals. “No, no, you don’t understand, it’s not them. Reading Philosophy is a difficult task, especially coming to uni with little or no background in the subject. THAT is a philosophy that I don't understand. Immanuel Kant was an overrated philosopher. And yes, there IS already a terrible surplus of unwanted dogs but, my position is, if you stopped the demand of BYB puppies, that surplus will grow exponentially until the BYBs stop breeding , and all their surplus puppies are dead. I don’t want to leave you feeling frustrated or belittled. Sorry to rant, but I feel strongly about puppy mills and ppl buying dogs on a whim and never realizing that's its a lifetime commitment. Loki...I get your point, but NO dog is guaranteed lifelong health, no matter HOW well bred or how expensive. ... Biden and the Democrats to “reach out to almost half of the electorate,” as Adam Bjorndahl, associate professor of philosophy at Carnegie Mellon, did. Bear in mind that when you are reading philosophy what you are actually doing is trying to understand a piece of writing. Before you answer, I want to let you … Why are atheists so difficult to preach to? It's supposed to be difficult--if it was easy, it wouldn't be philosophy, but some other, boring, discipline. Apologetics. So can you help me pick out two points in these two title. Christians: Why is Jehovah not the name of God?Â ? Wrong section dude. I don't understand Hasbro's philosophy. Philosophy is a field of study about the concepts that underlie things. Kant is killing me! they won't socialize it, they won't make it polite, they won't take it to the vet when it breaks it's leg -- they'll "let nature run it's course". Yes, boycotting bybs and puppy mills will mean more dogs euthanized in the short run, but in the long run it is a much better option than keeping them open. 2 are pure breeds; one was a birthday gift for my daughter and the other another of the same breed because we love the breed. Many come from situations where the family purchased the dog without considering cost (see above)....others are victims of the current economy. And almost none are brought in with their shot records. EDIT: Understood....but the SPCA has branches all over the country where the dogs are vetted. It's supply and demand----if you take the demand away, there's is still a giant surplus already "on the shelves" that will now have to be disposed of because no one wants them. Dont Litter----I said shelter dogs GENERALLY have health or behavioral issues...I didnt say MOST. Ask about a retired show dog. If the worst happens, you can go back to them and they will try to make things right. Puppy Mills will only be stopped when ppl stop going to pet stores to buy dogs. Continue buying puppies from them? Millions of dogs are already unwanted and euthanized because of the BYB's. Didn't you ever hear the story of the Starfish? You might sound reasonable in doing so. That's just absurd. Still have questions? Why did God turn Jeremiah into a bull frog. Need something cheaper? How do you think about the answers? I don't understand Hasbro's philosophy. I don't understand your philosophy. My dog acts weird around me. 21K likes. Also it helps to read a book or two by Leibniz since he influenced Kant. There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ya. However, you are VERY wrong about most shelter dogs have health or behavioral issues. So no money savings there! http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/generally. so would you rather buy a byber's mutt of unknown health, unknown lineage, unknown breed half the time, bad temperament, bad socialization, no shots, no chance at a good life even if adopted -- and then give the byber/puppy mill more money to buy more dogs to make more sad creatures? Rachel...B) doesnt always apply. That really helped me in my own studies first in college and then independently. I live in a small town. Get your answers by asking now. If you go to a shelter, that pet store dog or one like it ends up euthanized or farmed out for more breeding, if you go to a pet store a shelter dog could die, either way someone loses. Where do you think they get birthday dogs and anniversary gift puppies? The dogs at my local shelter never see a vet and the spaying is done at the new owner's expense. Any reason why. Philosophy is more the realm of those who ponder one's existence. I agree. This video is a great introduction to basic logic. I don't understand philosophy and I have to write two main points. And to use vet bills for the reason not to get a BYB dog yet get one from a shelter does not make sense either. It’s anti-intellectual, and it’s close-minded. That is a myth plain and simple. Oh! When you say the laws of physics can't be broken are you saying that God can't do all thingsÂ ? Shelters also perform behavioral tests on the dogs since it is a huge liability for them to place an aggressive or ill dog in a home where there are young children, and/or other pets. Why is it, when someone comes here and talks about looking for an inexpensive puppy, they get reminded of how much the vet bills will run because he has purchased an inferior bred dog, and then he is told to go get one from a shelter??? Kant isn't always easy, but since you've digested these others I can't imagine that you don't have the mental tools to do so. "Maybe some people dont WANT shelter dogs because they generally come with some kind of behavioral problem or medical condition???" The dogs have a quarantine area where they go until someone figures they're healthy enough to join the rest of the population. Sad as it is, it's a cold reality that until people stop BUYING them, the BYBs and Puppymills will continue to produce them. 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